[quote=@Double Capybara]
[@Muttonhawk] It WAS dream manipulation by mortals, literally the google definition of it, dropped idea from a while ago, since I decided to make heroes instead or holy orders and avatars (Which I love above all things, but they are completely unbalanced and far too expensive. Furthermore, a hero dies and you make another one for the same price, an avatar just keeps getting more and more demanding, with the information that Vestec could just "slap" any of my divas at ease, I literally felt like there was no motive whatsoever to keep on in that track, next one would cost a whopping 8 might and would be someone far too easy to troll, since to simply replace one of the girls I would need 16 might, then 32, then 64... and sincerely, I feel like I could lose all three at once if someone decides to be extremely mean) 
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Keep in mind, that was just Vestec himself. They're still extremely useful for every other situation that doesn't involve a literal god. Not to mention, Illunabar could, if she so desired, block Vestec's attempts at slapping said Divas.

[quote=@Muttonhawk]
That's a good point.

Actually, that reminds me. I was trying to think about how the fight with Violence would go, and it seems like it would be really ironic to beat him with lower case violence in the first place. I was thinking that with the way Minus does things and with how tough avatars are anyway, it might be better to just trap the Violence avatar. I'm not fond of the idea of outright annihilating the poor guy in the first place, just for the sake of letting him build more of a character.

I don't know, I guess I'm just flinging about author's bias over strategy. What does everyone else think about Violence potentially surviving or dying?
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[quote=@Cyclone]
Having the combined efforts of four or more gods to destroy an avatar being met with "NOPE!" and Violence escaping unscathed seems like too much. That being said, I've always been opposed to anything more than the most minor of alterations to others' creations without their approval. In my eyes it's really just Rtron's opinion that matters in regards to whether Violence outright dies or not.
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[quote=@Muttonhawk]
Just to be clear, I don't think that Violence escaping with no repercussions would make sense. You're right, that would be a massive cop out. It's just that killing him is the other extreme. And, yeah, I would hear what Rtron thinks first.
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Violence won't be escaping unscathed, though there are ways for that to happen, because that'd be boring and Vestec (and myself) don't like boring in this situation. However, he won't be destroyed either. I has plans fors him.