[quote=Tyki] pretty much, but i'm not gonna go into detail other than to say that both chars are massively op but both were accepted :P [/quote] Alright. However, if we're going by the assumption that pain causes people to be unable to use magic, then that applies to your character as well. Effectively, whomever attacks first wins, because it's so easy to neutralize someone's magic, and once you have, you've won.