[quote=thewizardguy] Alright. However, if we're going by the assumption that pain causes people to be unable to use magic, then that applies to your character as well.Effectively, whomever attacks first wins, because it's so easy to neutralize someone's magic, and once you have, you've won. [/quote] not really, i did some studying (i know! i can read :D! but seriously) and i could directly affect someone's brain without them noticing until they were near dead (or when they tried to cast spells and they failed) and it's not pain, it was the fact that he wouldn't have been able to breath....