[quote=Tyki] fine, but the fact that i can actually fuck with your brain kinda makes the argument invalid >.> anyway.... pretty much everyone on here is op if their powers are used right... especially jake since he effectivly can't be hurt by anyone that can't disable magic in some way... also, i've been under the water too, it wasn't so bad, kinda relaxing really until he put his feet on my shoulders... then i was a wee bit pissed...watch a black stand up comedian... then you will understand... [/quote] Unless you can specifically target the part of the brain that he uses to cast magic and disable it, cause unconsciousness instantly, or in some other way prevent someone from all thought and action, then you can't really truly nullify magic. And yes, Jake is very hard to kill, as all teleporting characters are. Anyone who can leave a combat at will at any time is hard to kill. The only real way to kill him is to use the element of surprise, like sniping him from a building. And your experience just fortifies my point.