[quote=@Flamelord] Herm? Angels having the disadvantage? Let's see..... Well, Gwynn basically flew from the outside of the ship to the cargo hold without hitting any significant resistance along the way, in spite of only having a general location for Diana and not knowing the layout of the ship.... [/quote] To explain, Gwynn is also a special unit. As in, a commander of Valkyries. She didn't fly anywhere, she expended most of her energy using brief little lightning jumps in an attempt to make a swift exit with Diana, which was summarily shut down without being able to give any actual resistance other than 'surrender or die'. (which, I honestly have to question how Regia acted in such a swift manner to effectively being ambushed by a Valkyrie charging at her at basically high-speeds. My fault for not bringing that up, I suppose.) She didn't meet any 'significant resistance' because she cut them down with her blade, or moved too fast to be hindered that much. Remember, the Machina should have also been dealing with demon agents around this time so they should have logically been fighting among themselves, or otherwise in chaos. Also, its safe to assume she knew about as much about the ship as Diana did, being a commander. She didn't know the [i]specific[/i] location of Diana once she was inside, but she knew a rough area. After using a few of those jumps she was able to locate her through the process of elimination. [quote=@Flamelord] Azazeal pretty effortlessly ruined the whole acid rose trap Victiore had going on, without any serious loss to the angelic forces....[/quote] They're angels. They have a natural advantage against demons. From where I stand, they shouldn't have incurred any heavy losses, especially if I remember right and they were burning away the corruption. (I could be wrong about that, as I haven't bothered to go back and read.) Yet, Victoire manages to get away unscathed, and still manages to lay down a powerful trap somehow with little to no repercussions. [quote=@Flamelord] Generally near totally unaffected by any automated or stationary defenses that might be present in the giant fortress, including anti-air fire, turrets, etc. I've been told that this is my fault for not being specific, but the point still stands when the non-PC Machina barely even pose a noteworthy challenge.... [/quote] What, we're supposed to describe every non-pc angel being shot down in graphic detail? I made a few references in my posts about angels being shot down I do believe. I assumed it was a given that it was happening, but I suppose that was wrong. [quote=@Flamelord] Basically, from where I'm sitting it's hardly like things have been unfair to the Angels. If anything they've been unfair to the Machina, since any natural advantage they might have in controlling the giant walking fortress of doom has been basically negated within a couple sentences besides the trump card. [/quote] From where I'm standing, its honestly the opposite. The Angels have fought the hardest to be sure, especially Gwynn and Raziel, and have little to nothing to show for their efforts besides wounds, and any thing they try to accomplish get shut down before they can even do anything. and eh...yeah, I think I'm done with this though, so whatevs. That's my perspective on things.