[quote=@LokiLeo789] I agree with [@Rune_Alchemist] on this one. The battle is far from over, and the Angels were kind of at a disadvantage from the start. Is Raziel the only person with a real injury besides Warboss? [/quote] Regarding this, what direct confrontation has anyone else had with other Player Characters but Raziel, Gwynn, and Warboss? Everyone else has fought mooks IIRC in the IC. Falz and Shii'Ell clearly got affected by the undead puppets as well. [quote=@Rune_Alchemist] They're angels. They have a natural advantage against demons. From where I stand, they shouldn't have incurred any heavy losses, especially if I remember right and they were burning away the corruption. (I could be wrong about that, as I haven't bothered to go back and read.) Yet, Victoire manages to get away unscathed, and still manages to lay down a powerful trap somehow with little to no repercussions. [/quote] You were also fighting against Machina. Machina have a natural advantage over the Angels. So where are all the bits about the Angels having to play it safe against bullets flying around here and there? Your heavy losses come from the Machina yet looking at the IC, it's almost like the Angels take no damage before nuking the battlefield, hardly giving anyone a chance to do anything. As for Victoire, she's merely following the same logic as Gywnn and Raziel as a Special Role. [quote=@Rune_Alchemist]From where I'm standing, its honestly the opposite. The Angels have fought the hardest to be sure, especially Gwynn and Raziel, and have little to nothing to show for their efforts besides wounds, and any thing they try to accomplish get shut down before they can even do anything. and eh...yeah, I think I'm done with this though, so whatevs. That's my perspective on things.[/quote] How? How exactly has every single Angel tactic been shut down? If anything, we've allowed you to go around no selling other people and attacks without restraint. Just wanted to point that out because quite frankly, none of your actions IC have been "shut down". Now as you said yourself, you're done with this issue. So how about we all stop whining about supposed unfairness and try to move on. The issue of the battle ending can be resolved at a later date.