[quote=Avanhelsing] Jack smiled a bit when she hugged him. "No it did not go well at all. He basically told me I'm self centered and that he did not need or want my help. He is rock headed just like Dad..." Jack complained. He had tried at least. [/quote] "I'm sorry. Don't give up. Family is important. Even if you and Ben are on different paths, be there when he needs you. Because eventually he will." Katherin advised. "In the mean time figure out how you want to handle the changes you are experiencing."