[quote=@POOHEAD189] Flying machines can be prevalent in a land based game of strategy and warfare, and they also aren't game changers. A Dwarf in a gyrocopter can be killed by a volley of arrows, or a cannon, or a catapult, or yes indeed, a Griffon rider. Ships however, need water, and no one but you two will be using them. Which was the point. Clock began this game with a specific set of standards in mind, and people deviating from that, no matter how pointless, can change how people view the game, whether or not they need to add anything to their sheet. [/quote]I am not willing to continue this argument clogging up the OOC so I make it brief. You got it backwards. Having navy or not won't change how people view this game because naval control is of limited importance. Having Gyrocopters and other kinds of air units is something every player has to contend with. THAT changes the game. Because you need some counters for sure. So yeah. Not going to campaign against allowing air units but the reality is what I explained above.