[quote=@Willy Vereb] [@ClocktowerEchos]It just struck me. Should I come up a different name for my not!-orcs? I mean they look nothing like [@Lauder]'s. They are big and muscular but aren't built almost as wide as they are tall. Their anatomy is pretty much human-like. Orruk and Uruk also sound nearly the same. Albeit perhaps we can explain this with the two races sharing a common ancestors from the distant past? What do you think? [/quote] The common ancestor thing seems okay to me. If you want a name, you can use what I sometimes call notOrks, Oqers (O-ke-ere-s)