[quote=@ClocktowerEchos] The common ancestor thing seems okay to me. If you want a name, you can use what I sometimes call notOrks, Oqers (O-ke-ere-s) [/quote] Uruk is a good name for many reasons to me. I just feared it might lead to unitentional confusion. Well, I am fine with intentional confusion like nations confusing Uruks with the Orruks or in (less likely) the reverse. So Oquers is neither to my liking nor it'd solve much, I am afraid. Albeit this gave me a strange idea. Does any of the nations using Ogres? Ogre is a man-eating "giant" in folklore and while fantasy often puts them as half-giants perhaps making my race the Ogres of this setting could be fitting. Ogurz would be the specific term but Ogre or Black Orc references would be also common. What do you think?