[quote=@Plank Sinatra] On that note, no one is to use Judah or any mass-produced Judah derivatives, either. I can't speak for [@Onarax] or [@Silvan Haven], but chances are good that the Sword Shroud and the Ball are in the same boat. [/quote] ok with the amount of talk of departures and whatnot I'm still skeptical that this is a thing, despite what Kray told me in the interest check. How many people did this thing start off with compared to now?