[quote=@Krayzikk] Agreed. Sans the "time in the service" part, they wouldn't take me even if I wanted to enlist. Something about a defective pancreas. I always needed to dress up for debate meets on Saturdays, and my Dad made sure I knew how to dress properly. And given the frequent standing and gesturing of debate, that meant wearing a tie bar so my tie didn't flap about and knowing to unbutton one's coat when one sits if one has been wearing it buttoned. [/quote] Sounds like you had yourself a good father.