[@KatherinWinter] So I looked it up 290 for a novice male lifter is actually average http://www.livestrong.com/article/380767-how-much-weight-can-the-average-man-lift/ So id say I'm in the ball park since Hachi is 18 and Jasper is 17 figure they aren't exactly beginners with lifting but not exactly pros So I'll drop to around 220 for both Edit: though I'd prefer to keep it higher