[quote=@Chrononaut] TBH, ever since I realized that gamers took the evaluation of subjective art as something that could be objectively measured, I've had to double check anything gamers say just to confirm they aren't just stupid. [/quote] I think even the term 'gamer' is somewhat toxic, especially nowadays. as a kid in the 90s games were another hobby as well as sports, reading, music etc. But no one defined themselves as a 'gamer' because is so subjective. How long do you have to play games to be a gamer? What games count as 'gamer' games? mobile games? console games? PC games? Do genres count what if you only play chess simulators but on a console? The idea that this 'group' could be attacked is stupid because the group isn't defined by anything exhuastive.