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Also, if the conversation was ever about Off Topic I would’ve said the same line of things I’ve said about Arena just the same. As a rule Off Topic and Spam forums are always going to be abrasive and awful by general standards— it’s in their framework and has been since pretty much the turn of the century.
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Spam I can agree with you on, off-topic not so much, I think that saying Off-Topic is 'awful' by general standars is pretty cynical. We can have expectations and for the most part Off-topic has been mainly chat/hangout threads like this one here we people just talk about their day/lives or discuss upcoming games or movies or whatever. The recent string of political stuff has been largely influenced by the circus of a US election. Which has understandably ramped up the disuputes. But off-topic by its definition cant just be discareded as 'awful' surely if it was neither one of us would be here.