[quote=@mdk] That's only half the story though, isn't it? Things are bad enough in this country, for enough people, that [i]Donald goddamn Trump[/i] was more palatable than four more years of the establishment. Think about that. Did you know that's how bad it was? I didn't. I've been in the CNN bubble like everybody else, and they sure as hell weren't talking about it. 58 million people -- that's a very big number -- are that desperate, and here I thought the biggest issue facing america was the use of public restrooms. I don't believe in silent majorities. These people were always trying to be heard, and we've been ignoring them so completely that this result is unthinkable. People moved to tears in the Clinton campaign -- you shoulda been crying for these people long ago, and honestly I think you needed your hearts broken. Granted, now we've got a deplorable in the white house. I mean..... some of that is disingenuous from the same people who cheered for Bill, but putting that aside [i]I don't like this guy,[/i] and I'm gonna have to deal with that. We'll get over it if he's good. [/quote] I agree completely with this. Working class are still the most important voting block, and they let the world know last night. The states she lost were exactly the old industrial midwest, and really, they earned that loss by being so flippant about the problems there. Now I don't think Trump's plans will help at all, I think they'll hurt actually, and I'm a bit anxious about my own future, but I totally understand why the electorate chose a candidate who responded to their problems with a bizarre plan over a candidate who was condescending about the idea that they even had problems at all. [quote=@Buddha] You can't support democracy when your candidate wins but hate it when someone you don't like wins. That's not democracy, that's a cover up. [/quote] Eh, you can though. People throw their hats down when they lose. No states seceded, nobody is rioting in the streets, Clinton conceded the race; we're doing fine. The losing side lost hard when it expected a win. Venting is inevitable there. plus Halo is fuckin british so it's not like he has to respect the american electorate anyway