[quote=@Efficacy] we're going to build the wall Ah, but I thought you'd raise that last point. However, it won't matter, because either/both (1) Mexico will surrender before the tariff even works on the American economy or/and (2) Americans will just buy more American-made stuff, since American companies will have to move out of Mexico and make things back in America. And it's not just that--Obamacare and TPP are dead, the Keystone XL is finally happening (and it's being shifted out of contested grounds), and he's met with union and business leaders that respect his incredible business skills and are ready to work things out. Under budget and ahead of schedule. EDIT: Don't forget cutting off funding to sanctuary cities, already shutting down Miami as a sanctuary. [/quote] The wall is genuinely one of the worst possible ideas ever to come from a politician in this country. It's a waste of money, it won't do what it's purpose is, AND the construction of it is illegal, and would require waving a bunch of laws in order to do it. Even the shitty border fence we have now had to have tons of laws waved and tons of property stolen from people by the government in order to happen. 1. Doubtful. 2. No they won't. The way things are bought and sold isn't that simple. Very few american companies will move out of mexico. It would cost much, much more to relocate physical space and for the increased wages required than would be lost on the tariff, especially since raising their costs to not only cover the tariff but also make even more profit won't affect their sales much if at all. At best, the tariff will hinder additional moves out of america into mexico. The ACA is probably going to die too, which is a bad thing. And Trump is planning to repeal Obamacare and the ACA without a plan to replace them at the time of repeal. That's a terrible thing. We don't need the Keystone XL. Not only do we not need it, in terms of economic development, it's actually COUNTER productive. Spending that money in green energy fields would create more jobs, permanent and temporary, in MANY fields and would give some purpose to diplomas for the first time in years. Not to mention it's currently feasible to totally power the country with green methods which would cut our dependence on foreign oil literally infinitely better than any pipeline because then if it fails we don't suddenly have to make up for that loss with foreign sources. Also, unless this "move to uncontested grounds" happened in the past two days, then it's not true. Last I heard, again two days ago, the desired place moved to not only has the potential to damage a major water source for a native reservation, but also would disrupt several heritage and BURIAL sites in order to build. "Incredible business skills." Citation needed. His "business skills" are horrible, he's only managed to do what he's done because he gets payed to put his name on things he doesn't have a hand in the business of. There's been a model done that shows that if he had done nothing with his initial million other than make investments that were obvious, even at the time, then he would have made more money by now than he actually has. For fuck's sake he chose to start a real estate business MONTHS BEFORE THE HOUSING CRASH, stating "I think now is the perfect time to get into the real estate business" in an interview about it. Trump University has been proven to be a scam, potentially very illegal, AND his "business skills" included breaking a campaign law involving his charity, not to mention the other laws he broke with his "charity." "Under budget and ahead of schedule." Citation needed. If you're getting this from trump, it's almost certainly a lie. He's been lying as bad and sometimes worse than shillary since day one on the campaign and he hasn't stopped aside from a few of his easier campaign promises. He hasn't even kept his word to change his hair if he won and that's the EASIEST thing he could've done that he claimed he would. And cutting off funding for health centers around the world that so much as even MENTION abortion as a potential choice regardless of what else they provide, a health disaster with the potential to be on bar with the Black Death. (If only because that happened back when the population was so much lower than the billions we have today.) [quote=@Meta] His stance on the torture thing isn't a screw up to me whether I agree with it or not. It's actually entirely constitutional. It's one thing to use personal Twitter to speak one's own mind, but that's effectively the same as using company resources to berate your boss. The government is supposed to work together, not be in civil war, and they were being inappropriate for the time and place. Blocks cartels. We don't pay for it and it saves money. Companies have already started moving back into the U.S. It's how capitalism works; if Mexico prices get to high, we switch to something else. You assume they'll stay in Mexico; companies follow the money. [/quote] He's said it in interviews, not just twitter. PLUS, now his opinion actually fucking matters because he would be in the position to say "go ahead and use torture," and have it happen. It's not constitutional, because it's the "dissent" was simply telling the facts when he lied on twitter. He didn't like it so he censored them, which is unconstitutional. The government isn't allowed to censor anyone for any reason, especially not the office of president. Of course nobody gives a shit when they censor military information, and they censor their horrible bullshit and get away with it (see: wikileaks sources) because they don't have to give whistle blowers a fair trial thanks to unconstitutional laws. (See: Mostly from Bush) Also, NO. That's the stupidest thing I've heard from you in a long while. Using TWITTER is the same as using company resources? No it's not. Twitter is not suddenly a company resource just because trump is addicted to it. It's a social media platform; it's unnecessary and has nothing invested into it by the users other than 30 seconds of time, if that. Taking a leaf that falls onto the ground of the place you work at is a better analogy to what using twitter to give facts is. No it won't. Very few cartels physically go across the border aboveground that wouldn't be able to get it over a wall. Tons use tunnels, they'd easily be able to get under, through, or over a wall no matter how it's built. Hell, they could use cheap drones, literally cannons, a ladder and a rope, tunnels, or SHIPS and the wall would be useless. The wall would LITERALLY do nothing but stop the poorest people who are coming here because they're going to die if they stay there. The ones who can't afford to come across legally or will die before they get through the process ie the ones we should actually be letting through. And that's barely any of the illegal immigrants that come from mexico. The VAST majority are people who just overstay visas. Yes we do. Even if we only use money from a tariff, it's still US paying for it. Also, a tariff of ANY percent, at least up to 100%, wouldn't be enough to pay for a wall the kind trump described. Two companies. Two companies that he specifically went to and gave special shit to in order to keep. And they're not "moving back here," they're just not going more over there. That's a misnomer at best and a blatant lie at worst, and is propaganda bullshit realistically. The money is staying in mexico. You have no idea how overly simplified trump thinks economy works. He's not even moved his OWN companies back to the U.S. He's still having his shit made in china. (To be fair, we don't have a tariff on them yet.) [quote=@souleaterfan320] I'm slowing starting to hate my country. Never have in my life, but its happening. Do not ask why, I wont reply. This is not to start an arguement, just simply a statement of my opinion. [/quote] Hey, at least you're learning. That's better than before.