[quote=@Meta] [@DarkwolfX37] It's not relevant whether I agree with his stance or not. I don't, but he's doing what he believes in instead of pandering. The government is allowed to censor itself. The First Amendment doesn't protect from any and all consequences of peoples' words. Probably because we haven't spoken in a long time and you think that anything you disagree with is stupid. It's not a very constructive train of thought. Time. [i]Time[/i] is a company resource, and it's being used to berate their boss. I don't want the poor ones either. But there are plenty of test cases that prove walls do in fact work. You can obstruct tunnels by building it deeply and including seismographs (or mines if you want to be fun with it), and then there are other technologies that are available to the govt. All of those workarounds are easily accounted for and ships don't work very well. Overstayed visas can also be worked with internally. There are plenty of border hoppers; I live in Texas and we get some of the worst of it. Just because the majority is one thing doesn't mean we shouldn't stop lawbreakers in another; it's a false dichotomy. The figures don't agree with that. Tax wire transfers to Mexico, strongarm them with NAFTA, cut our funding to Mexico, etc. There is a plethora of avenues that cost us nothing in the end that we wouldn't do otherwise. Funny you mention propaganda considering the current state of affairs and media. There have been more than two, as well as others investing in the U.S.; plus, it's literally not even week 2 yet and we already have so much and it will continue to get better. The DOW continues to rise (until it inevitably crashes, whether because of a bubble or someone above it pulling the strings), but things are looking up. It's going to be good. [/quote] I never said it matters if you agree or not. The First amendment specifically protects against censorship as a result of someone's words. No you're just genuinely stupid when it comes to politics. It's part of their jobs to inform the public of scientific information. Pointing out that trump is lying about it is not a waste of their time. And no, the president is not the boss of all the government's sectors. We have three branches for a fucking reason. "Test cases." None on the scale trump talks about. None that cover such a large area. You are vastly overestimating. That's not even what a false dichotomy means. Neither is it a false dichotomy. It's an issue of priorities. If 80% of the country is dying of hunger and 20 percent is dying of disease, it's much more prudent to focus on the issue of hunger if you want to save people. They really aren't. In order to even partially cover them, we'd have to cut funding to so many things that the country might genuinely fail in order to just keep our current rate of debt. Pretty sure trump wants out of nafta. And everything would cost us in the end. A) You're really underestimating how much this would cost and B) You're not understanding how international affairs work. You're more likely to get a major war than anything else. Trump is actively fighting freedom of press and is spewing nothing but his own bullshit propaganda every time he opens his mouth on a subject. Things were bad before with every tv news outlet in the U.S. being propaganda but trump takes it to an entirely different dimension. There have been two. And "investing in the U.S." means nothing. They'd do that anyway to expand and they're doing it because they're getting shit out of it, which is costing us. We have so much terrible shit and it's going to get worse. He's offset every good thing he's done with a bad thing of higher magnitude. He not only has all the warning signs of a dictator but even his bullshit pandering is following in the footsteps of previous dictators. He's going to try to be one during his time in office, but the worst part is that getting rid of him would put pence in and he's even worse somehow. You're going to see everything go to shit and it might end up coming to a head in an internal war in this country, depending on how effective rational people are at reigning in his shit. [quote=@Efficacy] Where'd you hear Spicer's been lying, and about what? [/quote] Dude EVERYONE working for trump is lying. That's part of the job working for him. I've yet to hear about Spicer but they're literally defending themselves using what they call "alternative facts," which should immediately tell you means bullshit.