[@ToadRopes] its all so kind of problematic that as a result of how this has gone there's more than three quarters of the players trying to fight one guy at the same time in a confined space, it's almost guaranteed to be a mess. its a bit how ninjas are worse the more of them there are, you all are good at descriptions and fighting but vs a man sized target indoors there is only so much space before someone can't move for their allies. Suggestions: maybe try kicking stuff at him or describing how you avoid all the fire to catch the wabbit? Actually seeing as your fast you could go help Quina Quen with the fairies seeing as slayer is apparently just hanging with team 2 now. or team up with someone for a combo move like Naija and Mario did with some pms to another player, the shadow knight can't deflect shots if you ride round behind him with a shooter on horseback while the other keeps shooting him in the front and catch him in a crossfire. I think Odin's going to make a good kind of boss as he is in the open, has trash mobs and is big, where as there's like 8 of you vs 1 man sized smoke Jedi. narrative convention says the Shadow Knight is gonna win unless you do something smart. it is a shame team 3 is so hideously out numbered, if we where nearby I would suggest we switched battles: 3 vs 1 and 8 vs 30 are much better odds but that's just how the dropouts turned out. on the other hand Me and fox just had a discussion trying to clear up what the heck I was doing with little asci diagrams of attack vectors and stuff. In the field vs lots of people I may start drawing simple maps to keep track of everyone. they both have problems needing to be overcome