[quote=@BBeast] [@Cyclone], one detail I noticed that you forgot in Ommok's conquest is the urtelem. Urtelem are Galbar's natural buffer against marauding hordes and monstrous beasts. Many hain villages have urtelem herds residing nearby ('taming' urtelem was one of the earliest things Stone Chipper taught the hain). They'd provide some resistance. Although, a herd of urtelem would still be no match for a well-armed ogre warband, so the outcome wouldn't be materially affected. I may need to change that soon. Also, White Giants would also fight ogre warbands, but since the White Giants are solitary they would provide less resistance than a whole herd of urtelem. [/quote] Remember that Zephyrion actually created the ogres by mutating urtelem. Ommok himself is the original ogre and was once an urtelem. He even has some vague memory of it, though I've yet to explore that IC. I was even thinking about having the ogres tame urtelem and have a somewhat special relationship with them since they're so closely related, but again, I haven't quite gotten there yet. So, I have two questions: firstly, would the urtelem necessarily be hostile to ogres their somewhat unique origins? I would think that to the urtelem, ogres would be far more recognizable than hain or any other creatures. Secondly, do white giants attack urtelem? If white giants ignore urtelem then I think that the ogres are good, whereas if they attack urtelem then I would presume that the ogres would only have to deal with one or the other in any given area. Perhaps I'll explain this oversight as the grasslands not having many urtelem around. Maybe the next post could have the ogres venture further east (to where the grasslands meet the Ironhearts) and then encounter tamed packs of urtelem.