[quote=@Cyclone] Remember that Zephyrion actually created the ogres by mutating urtelem. Ommok himself is the original ogre and was once an urtelem. He even has some vague memory of it, though I've yet to explore that IC. I was even thinking about having the ogres tame urtelem and have a somewhat special relationship with them since they're so closely related, but again, I haven't quite gotten there yet. So, I have two questions: firstly, would the urtelem necessarily still recognize ogres as enemies given their somewhat unique origins? Secondly, do white giants attack urtelem? If white giants ignore urtelem then I think that the ogres are good, whereas if they attack urtelem then I would presume that the ogres would only have to deal with one or the other in any given area. Perhaps I'll chalk up this oversight as the grasslands not having many urtelem around. Maybe the next post could have the ogres venture further east to where the grasslands meet the Ironhearts and then encounter tamed packs of urtelem. [/quote] Urtelem are minor empaths that target destructive intent. As seen on Angelblood Ridge, they won't spare their own people when they've been corrupted by violence, even if it causes them emotional pain. Also, since they're intelligent with a widespread culture now, it's less a question of taming than it is alliance. That said, I can come up with a fairly good reason why the Urtelem are absent from that particular area right now- In addition to having adapted to a more nomadic way of life, they've also come together in their thousands to enforce the containment zones around Acalya outbreaks. That grove at the west edge of the Shimmering Sea probably drained most of their herds away from the area Ommok has annexed. Ed: Their absence is probably magnified by the fact that Zeph historically kept them out of the Firewind. With no local herds to help the attempt, the growth would've gone unchecked for longer and urts would've come in from far and wide.