[quote=@Arawak] [@Vilageidiotx] I'm more bothered by how you have that one guy who basically appointed a cabinet designed to destroy state departments. I mean Reagan still fascinates me with how much shit he got away with (at least Nixon eventually got caught) but I do wonder, when you say worse do you mean like presidents who had competence to carry out their agenda effectively? [/quote] Hoover is sometimes given partial blame for his idealogical reaction to the beginning of the Great Depression. That depends on whether you are in the modern-econ "Hoover didn't intervene" camp instead of the classic liberal "FDR intervened too much" camp though. Otherwise the question gets vague, because what a President's agenda is isn't always the same thing as their platform. Harding, for instance, is infamous for how corrupt his administration was. But the thing about corruption is, you can argue his agenda was doing corrupt shit, since that was what he was doing. If Trump ends up just being corrupt, but he gets away with it, then who failed? Trump, or the voters? For pure incompetence, you can go as low as Buchanan. And yes, Trump is going to have to try extra fucking hard to be worse than Buchanan. That's the beauty of that guy. If a President out-fucks-up Buchanan, we aren't even going to be talking about the matter or making these comparisons, because we'll have more important things on our plate, like fighting off irradiated raiders and shit like that. Personally, I think Trump will end up being a right wing Jimmy Carter. You know, somebody who has an ideologue fan base, but by the general population is considered something of a goofy fuck-up. And I mean Prez Carter, not the post-Prez Carter, who might have enough miracles under his belt for sainthood by now. But, you know, fuck it. Who knows. It's all just idle talk at this point, since he is only thirty days in. He could be the next Reagan for all I know. I kind of doubted considering how frazzled his ideological situation is, but weirder things have happened.