[@The Kid Lantern] I probably should have put definitive in quotes. But regardless, I acknowledge that there is a lot wrong with the X-Men franchise. And I know there is a lot wrong with Hugh Jackman being Wolverine, but I feel it's going a bit far to say he is everything that is wrong with Wolverine. In a few cases he's pretty enjoyable, and for all the points standing I've seen that while Wolverine is all those things, he can show a side of him with more heart. At least in my experience going over the characters. Additionally, visions for a character change between writers and while I'm sure many of the changes that befell the character are because of the movies, there is no guarantee some writer or another would have changed him in someway anyway. I'm not saying I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Just that I don't fully agree with you either. And all that "crap" as you call it could be beloved or awesome to many readers or fans. Like with many characters it's hit or miss. Are there things about the older incarnations of Wolverine that I miss? Hell yeah. Do I hate everything that's become of the character? No not really. I still think it'd be possible for Hugh to play a good Kraven. Although I'd probably refrain from that, less Kraven be taken from a serious big Spider-Man Villain and become an anti-hero ally and soon front runner in all future spider-man titles XD lol