[quote=@The Harbinger of Ferocity] All level adjustments should be compared to that. [/quote] It's worth recalling that the Iron Kingdoms d20 isn't really designed to go along with the other D&D 3rd edition stuff. Not to say you can't take stuff from it, but it's not necessarily helpful to compare it to stuff from Savage Species. [quote=@KeThomas91] Any familiar with IK I would really appreciate the help. [/quote] Yay, an opportunity to dust off an old RPG book that's been sitting on my shelf for goodness knows how long. I've only been in a couple of campaigns of the old Iron Kingdoms RPG, and we used the Ogrun as presented in the book with relatively few problems. Presumably it's been changed via errata, but in the copy of the book I've got here, Ogrun are a +1 Level Adjustment with a +2 natural AC bonus, a bonus hit dice at 1st level, and they're large. There's also the obligatory ability adjustments and some extra stuff.