[quote=@Fabricant451]
You're really hung up on the dick line from Kanye as if a blunt metaphor somehow invalidates the song as a whole. Can you point to these hundred rappers that use the exact same comparison? It's as if you're stuck on this notion that because a line is blunt and includes sexual imagery that it can't be as good as someone that spends an entire verse talking about lighting up some weed. 
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Because it was defended and it was a bad/corny line. There's more bad lines in that song and Kayne literally has ruined more guest's songs than most rappers in general. And though I really don't wish to look at every mainstream lyrics page to show the dick sucking comparison has been used the thousand times and you pretending otherwise is beyond pointless but here's a few of them.

"I'm a dick, so it shouldn't be that hard to swallow." - Chris Brown

http://www.lyrics.com/serp.php?st=dick+swallow&p=2

Now you'll say, but some of those don't have the "same meaning" that Kayne does. But...my point is the line itself has been done plenty of times. He means he'd rather be crude than passive. You're telling me there's no better way to say that? I'll just agree to disagree about kanye. Because like I said, unlike some less known rappers he also has like twenty writers and producers. Holy shit, Kanye has 10 and 11 writers in his single songs...and 8 producers...for a single track...

Can you consider it creative if it took an entire classroom to do it?

[quote=@Fabricant451]
Yes. Complexity doesn't just mean multisyllabic words. 
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Yes, but it also means complex ideas and things that I don't like Lil Wayne was exactly the best choice to prove rappers can have meaning in their songs...or Kendrick for that matter. Still, you say it's better to be simple and know how to use it than be complicated and gibberish which is all good, but how about complicated and articulate? Are we really arguing the dumber lyrics can sound, the better it is to be taken seriously as an art form?


[quote=@Fabricant451]
It got turned into a discussion the moment you challenged the points being made. You made a remark about Kendrick that is pretty factually incorrect and it escalated from there. It's not a matter of wanting to win, it's a matter of trying to inform. 
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Well, maybe you are genuinely doing so. Saying you don't get street language and telling people to not listen doesn't do that. But my feeling is you'll defend anything by a rapper you enjoy and not admit when they have a dud line or make mistakes...So to prove this point...

Is "Pussy" by Kendrick Lamar a terrible song...or is it somehow ingenious piece of writing because [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNNBc557OQ]no one has mocked trap music before.[/url]