[quote=@Kratesis] [@Dynamo Frokane] I think that's a bit of a No True Scotsman fallacy. There is a substantive difference between white nationalists and alt-righters. Qualitatively the alt-right is high energy while white nationalism is focused energy. The alt-right is an emerging portion of the cultural zeitgeist while white nationalism is the latest head of an ancient hydra. Qualitatively the policies they endorse and the members they attract are quite different. Many of the highest profile alt-righters are minorities of some sort. Jews feature prominently; Milo and Ben Shapiro are extremely popular and being a minority who endorses Trump in a big way will make you a celebrity within their circles (see Joy Villa). In the white nationalist movement it isn't that way. While it isn't purely white men, there are some white women, it is almost entirely populated by white males. Also, the alt-right is not a libertarian movement. [/quote] Okay a few corrections there. The No True Scotsman thing was very viable pre-trump. The Alt Right appeared to be a big swirling dance of a ton of different political leanings and cultural backgrounds. Post-trump its not the same thing. The No true scotsman only really applies when all parties are claiming to be the true scotsman, the Alt Right is different. Richard Spencer, Andrew Anglin etc call Gavin and Milo 'Alt-Lite' and Gavin and Milo agree and say 'youre right, we aren't alt right we are alt lite, our movement is about the west, not about European people' so its not a true scotsman thing. The Alt-Lite (I'm just calling them this for convienience sake) have distanced themselves from the alt-right and have either called themselves alt-lite or New-Right but not Alt-right, there is not contention anymore for the title, the definitions are clear. Milo and Ben Shapiro are different. Milo isnt and never was Alt-right but was happy to use the asthetic to boost his profile, he has mentioned on several occasions that the 'real' alt right hate him and he has no interest in skin colour identity politics. Ben Shaprio isnt even a Trump Supporter, he hates the Trump movement and is no fan of Milo either, hes an old school regan era conservative who only sees long term damage to the republican party. He is also an enemy of the Alt-Right, the real anti semites in the alt right hate him because hes jewish and pro isreal, and the shitposters hate him because hes Anti-Trump and Anti-Milo and they tease him with offensive jewish cartoons. [hider=Some Milo and Ben Alt Right clips to make clear what I'm saying] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwsqrjd6YcI]Go to 10:15 for an excellent breakdown[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTxSAjXpnqo]Milo distances himself from Republicans and the Alt Right 4:30 he talks about the daily stormer.[/url] [/hider] [hider=Real Alt Right vs Alt Lite] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E-atdKl_BA]She is alt-right and she declares the difference at around 5:20[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKGBWNGiGMU]An actual Alt Right radio station talking about Milo. the mention the alt right central ideas 1:40[/url] [/hider] So to be clear there are no 'minority' Alt Righters. Milo is clever populist, and Ben Shapiro is very anti Trump, Anti Alt-Right. The prominent Alt Righters are Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, Greg Johnson, Red Ice Radio, Vox Day to name a few. Now as far as the racial demographics i'd say the alt lite is mostly young white men but there are a good chunk of minorities in there who are either with them or sympathise with them and then there are obviously just trump supporters of all colours. Remember that trump isnt Alt Lite or Alt Right (has a jewish son in law) hes just the presidential preference. But the real Alt-Right? There are no minorities 'in' the alt-right there are a few sympathizers which become like honoroary minority figures like That Guy T who get referred to as 'Based Black Guy in Trump Hat' or something but the movement is about white identity at its core. Funnily enough True Alt righters do actually seem to get on well with black sepratists and nation of islam types who want to distance themselves from white people as they both have the same end goal which is racial segregation.