[quote=@Negatomsk] Except the Beardforce is equivalent to Brock Lesnar walking through literally anything I have available in the house, including force fields, shotguns, flamethrowers, rocket launchers, an intangibility suit, and the ability to become a living math equation -- while powering through any and all of that with said frying pan alone -- to headbutt me. No sane person would expect Mr. Lesnar to make it through a hellish obstacle course such as that with such a simple tool, because it wouldn't work, nor could they be blamed for their surprise when Lesnar powers through everything they threw at him with with a pan, because it's just not done. So yes in your example, I was quite the moron, but the Beardforce states that nothing can withstand it, not even the fact that I, say, was also Brock Lesnar, headbutting myself. [/quote] Don't flatter yourself. Hellish is a word reserved for something that was difficult. You don't spray and pray AOE attacks and expect it to work against someone that actually knows what their doing. You want to have your cake and eat it too, huh? I didn't power through your attacks, I outmanouvered you. You just don't want to admit it. [quote=@Negatomsk] And as for access to all of your arena history? I don't read previous fights if I can avoid it. This isn't MMA -- [i]I am not the one fighting[/i] -- so while me brushing up on your past matches to try to formulate a plan of action might be considered a viable strategy, in my opinion it's only an attempt to fill my own head with preconceptions about your character that my character honestly has no right to know beforehand, because they've never met. Even if I were to fight you again, I'd feel uncomfortable using anyone but Lobo, because through my own head that character would enter the ring filled with the knowledge of how Lobo's match went, intentionally or unintentionally, and I would not want to chance that influencing my writing. Lobo, win or lose, [i]has[/i] earned that knowledge, so anything I write from a second encounter is fair game. Now truth be told I have seen one of your fights before, but that was only because you actively fought someone else in another thread I'd joined, and you lost that fight -- intentionally or not -- because your opponent refused to be bullied by the same shit you're using here, namely trying to ignore everything they did in their power to impede you, as you tried to tell them, time and time again, how effective their own attacks were against you, despite their every attempt to explain otherwise. Yeah, and eventually you took the loss and left, but not until you'd all but killed the thread with your sidetracking bullshit, and believe me if I'd remembered that you were the one behind that shit, I'd never have slogged into the mud here with you. [/quote] You're STILL unable to be specific, because you know I have your trapped in your own fibs. I'll ask you one more time punk. To which two players did I lose? Answer the question and quit acting like a victim. You did this to yourself. My point is that you knew the Beardforce's power before the fight, but all you can do is dance around the proof as hard as you can, hoping nobody will notice how you're trying to cheat. Like I said earlier, cut it out and talk straight, unless you have something to hide. [quote=@Negatomsk] I will admit in my rush to edit I neglected to mention any effects that the headbutt might have had on Lobo himself beyond the impact he took, but to ignore the blow entirely would've been to a) not include any mention if it or b) to actually state that it had zero effect, that it didn't even move his head back. I'm not ignoring the fact that Gonad "makes a living killing things with headbutts". I accepted that fact and proposed that Lobo's own physical training allows him to fight back. You, on the other hand, are not only ignoring, but outright [b][i]rejecting[/i][/b], the possibility that the physical training that any other character Gonad faces could possibly allow them to compare to him on a purely physical level. [/quote] I've never seen someone this willfully ignorant before. Just reading those lies gives me cancer. You complete trashy buffoon, you literally[color=ed1c24] /did the exact same thing Lobo would have done if he hadn't been hit/[/color]. So yes, you totally ignored the attack. What goes on in that dumpy little skull of yours? Does it make sense for Lobo, who wrestles using bows and psychic power, to be physically on par with a 7'2", 499 pound, demigod of muscle? Get ooouuta here. Lobo had his own specialties, but you just sucked at using them and tried to beat me at my own game with tragic results. You twisty, grimy tart you, stop hiding behind half-truths. [quote=@Negatomsk] It's not an equalization power. You aren't leveling the playing field, you aren't taking advantage of someone who doesn't know how to defend themselves, and you are absolutely full of shit to claim that was what you wanted. If that were the case Gonad would exist solely to participate exclusively a low-level, no-powers combat where there ARE no powers to get in the way of his headbutts, no superhuman powers to equalize. What you want is to impose your will on your opponents who have in good faith undertaken defensive methods which would in fact serve them in a great many situations against most any character except yours, all because you want to pretend to be a one trick pony. If the entire point of your character is to pull non-physical fighters out of their wheelhouse to beat them you never had any intention of engaging them in the first place. And if it IS an equalization power? I'm still not taking the knockout because of your very decisive wording: You equalize my power. Fine. You counter my energy powers, fine, the hardening technique I described is based wholly physical (go hit up Iron Shirt on the google to get an idea) so even if you get through the helmet, I'm not defenseless. You want a decisive end with 'as little beating around the bush as possible', but in your own words, that still ain't necessarily instant. I'll walk back my counterattack, but I'm still not taking that knockout. And quit asking for a ruling on your post. I may have implicitly agreed to a match with your character sheet, but you explicitly agreed to fight me without a judge. [/quote] Go back and read my last post again, since it's obvious you completely ignored what I told you about the equalisation. Lobo had weapons, those weapons could have easily killed Gonad. You didn't know how to use those weapons properly, so you lost. You say his mask is like an iron skull? Still a knockout by way of the physics I described, the ones Vordak properly identified. That hit is nothing less than a knockout, and no, I never agreed to a match without a judge. Here again are the only facts that matter. 1. You knew the Beardforce would break through supernatural kinetic defences beforehand, and now you're lying to my face and refusing to look at proof. 2. You agreed to the fight anyway, and only now are whining about how the Beardforce works. Too late, too bad.