[quote=@SleepingSilence] [@KnightShade] I dunno, I think Saw and even a bit of Saw 2 had a bit of more clever writing and good shots then most horror films would. I can see why they got as popular as they did...despite going off the fucking rails. It's kind of like final destination, I think it put more effort than a lot of horror film's I've seen. But horror films, aren't usually masterpieces whatsoever. And the ones people call masterpieces their usually pretentious pieces of hot garbage. I think if one enjoyed horror, to give those movies a try. But pretty much aside from a couple okay thrillers. There's not many -good- horror movies. Unless you like the "so bad, it's good" variety like Sharknado. [/quote] There are loads of good horror films out there, modern horror just has such a consistent feel that it tends to blot out the good ones. James Wan played no small part in creating that feel too. Here's some modern and recent ones off the top of my head: The Descent, Orphan, We Are What We Are, The Neon Demon, The Witch, Don't Breathe, Let the Right One In, The Host (Korean one), The House of the Devil, Get Out, Hush, May, Dog Soldiers, A Tale of Two Sisters, Kill List, The Babadook. There's also plenty of non-pretentious classics. Primarily: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Alien, Nosferatu, Halloween and Peeping Tom. There's even a few good 'torture porn' films out there. The Loved Ones is the best I've seen, it's a million times more fun than Saw.