[@Kratesis] Jesus, this is getting obtuse. You know what I mean when I say [b]cant[/b] make an argument.

I don't mean you are not allowed to argue whatever point you please.

I'm saying you arent able to make a good argument against the position (that the implications/results of politics are serious).

No goalpost has been moved, if you need me to clarify, I will but don't assume I'm trying to say something I'm not. If you learned how to debate from reading T_D posts I suggest you quit while you're ahead.