Okay, maybe it wasn't the best to respond to these in the mood I'm in, but I feel like this is spreading so far, so fast and is so ridiculous without anyone pointing it out. So I guess I'll have to. Sorry if the cursing comes off as abrasive, it isn't meant to be personal in any way. 

Edit: Taking out as much cursing as possible. Because I feel it doesn't help.

[hider=Oh god I'm responding to a meme.]

[quote=@Dinh AaronMk]
[img]http://img.booru.org/lefty//images/3/fc7487a9abde456b3187cc46083d80c6f385e48a.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

[/hider]

I don't care what Ayn Rand thinks, but the "libertarian ideal" can support both of those ideas without the slightest problem or conflict of interest.

Can a women protect her body if somebody tries to rape them? Yes, it's in their self interest to protect their property. (their body.)

Back when hunting was how people gathered food, if you hunted a deer down and someone from a different tribe tried to take it, what would you do? You'd make sure you defend that food you killed. That was before it needed to be a law.

Private property is yours and it is within your best interest to protect it. I don't even know why someone would be stupid enough to argue why private propriety is a bad thing. If you had no right to private property that would include your own body.

Libertarian are not anarchists. The court system and government would still exist. I feel like people never seem to grasp this. Nor is self interest the main goal of libertarian. It's about non-intervention. You can do whatever you'd like unless it intervenes with others. That including "breaking those oh so arbitrary private rights, like breaking and entering." Get off with this 'arbitrary rules' nonsense, that's a crime and I oppose anyone who says otherwise or wants to live in a world where you can sue someone successfully for being hurt while breaking into someone's else house. Self interest could include killing someone because YOU personally feel like it and while that might align with anarchist ideology it does NOT go with libertarianism.

Also obeying and respecting your boss is a stupid thing to disagree with. It's within your self interest to stay employed...where's the contradiction exactly? And it's in your bosses self interest, to keep those he finds easiest to work with and who is making him the most money. Once again, this picture thinks it's so clever (like alot of button memes do.) but it's the stupidest thing I've ever laid my eyes on. But the best part about that is if you don't want to follow the rules of any employer. In this system and one that libertarianism needs to work properly, you can be your OWN boss and become self employed. 

[quote=@Kratesis]
Every action produces an equal and opposite reaction and SJW-ism eventually produced its anti-thesis in the alt-right. Currently the alt-right's cultural product is vibrant and their impact on the pre-collage crowd is much larger than I think is generally recognized. The right wing is cool again and the far right wing is the cultural zeitgeist for a considerable number of white teenagers. 
[/quote]

The alt right I'm almost convinced means absolutely nothing. But if it only has to do PC culture and the "SJW" culture believes. It sorts of boils down to, most of these trolls are immature and obnoxious twats. It's the internet. It's everywhere and it existed long before they existed it didn't have anything to do with politics. Trolls go after the ones that "get offended" the easiest. That's what I always hear, so why even be remotely surprised when it's almost impossible NOT to offend them. 

But they're at least fighting against something they believe in. Free Speech. Even the lowest common denominators are at least smart/aware enough to know banning speech becomes the "slippery slope argument" perfectly realized. Most SJW's don't know what their fighting for. To paraphrase someone else, "You're not fighting for any rights, your fighting for the right to be a pussy and censor whatever opinion you don't like." 

Also, I know it's so popular to point out how white men are to blame for basically everything, but just looking at Trump analytics and the people that voted for him compared to different presidents. 

53 percent of white women voted for trump. Every race, gender and age group voted far more for the republican president than the past several republicans presidents. Blacks over twice the percentage over someone like Romney. I think trying to just say, somehow whites are the sole purpose who the alt right existing is beyond disingenuous. Yes, this generation (as a whole) is growing up more right than any previous generation and yes the rebellion teenage stuff does factor into a bit of it. But it is not the only or major factor of it's existence. It exists to this extent only because it got so bad, and that extremism was spouted by everybody who was in power and even taken seriously.

[quote=@Kratesis]
Ben are part of and contributors to that phenomenon. Trump's policies are strongly anti-libertarian. White nationalism has a chance to make a comeback.
[/quote]

I'm not sure who exactly started the alt-right label in the first place...But Ben Shapiro, is not and never been part of the alt-right movement in any way shape or form...

Also Trump was and has been the only president that was for gay marriage (when not politically convenient) and had no quarrels with transgender community. Frankly, I have no idea WHAT Trump's political stances are. He certainly isn't Conservative in the slightest. (at least by american standards.) But calling it the death of libertarians when he's been far less authoritarian than many other presidents of his caliber, seems a little erroneous.

Just no. Mixed race relationships have been on a steady high rise. Highly unlikely if white supremacist ideals we're actually somehow rising in popularity. Among many other things that make this claim completely bogus. Just because more are coming out of the wood work online does NOT mean they're increasing in popularity in the real world.

https://priceonomics.com/why-is-interracial-marriage-on-the-rise/

https://thehungryrabbit.blog/2017/03/01/post-truth-politics-006-whitesupremacy/

[hider=Ku klux clan is dying (snippet from link)]

ADL Report: KKK Declining in Stature and Significance

Only 3,000 Klan Members in Small Groups With No Central Leadership

New York, NY, May 11, 2016 … Despite efforts by Ku Klux Klan groups to gain publicity by exploiting the presidential election and distributing hate literature, the Klan today is a collection of mostly small, disjointed groups with no predominant leadership or stability, according to a new report from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), “Tattered Robes: The State of the Ku Klux Klan.”

“What remains of the Klan is a collection of mostly small and disjointed groups that have difficulty in recruiting members and even maintaining any semblance of long-term stability,” said Oren Segal, Director of ADL’s Center on Extremism. “Klan groups form and dissolve just as quickly, and few longstanding groups still exist. Even those aren’t very healthy.”
[/hider]

Also a significant portion of people that voted for Trump, also voted Barack Obama. Calling them racists because of this seems really stupid and is precisely why Trump won in the first place because that's exactly what happened. Everyone was "a fucking white male" who Sanders said himself. "They don't know what it's like to be poor or be in the ghetto." And all those assumptions, assuming every person criticizing all of this rhetoric was racist and white supremacists.

"Of the 700 counties that twice voted for Obama, 1/3 flipped to Trump"

[youtube]  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mr9_lY-RrU [/youtube] 

[quote=@Vilageidiotx]
Right wing politics usually does pretty well among pre-college folk IMHO (at least among us white folk). 
[/quote]

This statement almost got me to respond to it one night, but I decided to not post what I wrote. But I feel so much has been said on this, that just needs someone to point it out...(and I'm going to do it in a much shorter way than I did previously.)

That is absolutely wrong and factually inaccurate. Millennials generation and younger people are predominately liberal. Or at least that's what they identify as. (As many people point out, millennials political opinions don't make any sense.) 

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/24/top-gop-pollster-young-americans-are-terrifyingly-liberal/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/25/the-gops-millennial-problem-runs-deep/

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/03/07/chapter-1-political-trends/

Do you think people in grade, middle or high school even know what the economy is? (let alone how it works.) Do you honestly want to argue that right wing politics in those circles is even remotely popular or the norm? There's some 13 year old pointing out that getting everything for free isn't actually a possible thing? No those people, would love having everything for free and everyone to be nice and love one another and etc etc. Naivety is the very dictionary was a word practically made for the youth. 

Also this is anecdotal evidence, but it perfectly encompasses the teen mindset when how stupid they are (usually #notall) when it comes to politics. (Sorry any teens that are reading, teens don't know anything about the world...that includes me when I was one. It's just a fact of life.) I had an entire classroom arguing about taxes. Now ALL of them, nearly everyone said they liked leftist politics. But then argued about taxes and how republicans we're the ones that wanted to raise them. The logic they we're following was, stealing all your money you made and taking it for themselves was an evil thing to do and right wing is evil so therefore. Clearly, right wingers want people to pay more taxes. This was accepted by nearly everyone there. Mind you, this was older teens. And not a single one of them, knew that democrats we're the ones that tended to raise taxes.

[hider= I do hope some of these memes are posted for lulz, and not in earnest.]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/slCrnOZl.jpg[/img]
[/hider]

"Public and private hospitals alike are prohibited by law from denying a patient care in an emergency. The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA) passed by Congress in 1986 explicitly forbids the denial of care to indigent or uninsured patients based on a lack of ability to pay."

http://law.freeadvice.com/malpractice_law/hospital_malpractice/hospital-patients.htm

As long as no one is stupid enough to believe this, and it's a joke. Fine.

[quote=@Penny]
I'm an immigrant non citizen. Sometimes this place is scary as fuck. :(
[/quote]

Can I just point out for a moment that EVEN CANADA! Has a stricter immigration policy than the USA does (in many cases.) <.<

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/26/libs-who-want-to-move-to-canada-blocked-by-its-strict-immigration-policies/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/03/canada-is-a-progressive-immigration-policy-dream-unless-you-have-a-disability/

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/03/01/canadians-immigration-policy_n_2784486.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/business/international/for-immigrants-america-is-still-more-welcoming-than-europe.html?_r=0

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120209132018AAVsOin

"The big difference is that in Canada, social policies, provincial laws, taxation laws, etc. are well integrated such that it's almost impossible to function as an illegal immigrant. In the United States there are about 12 million illegal immigrants. In Canada that number is estimated at only about 60,000. 

In Canada, it's almost impossible to get an "under-the-table" job -- Canada Revenue Agency is so efficient at enforcing social insurance numbers and most Canadians simply won't hire workers without valid SINs. You also can't open a bank account, enroll children in school, apply for provincial health care plans, etc. within proof of citizenship or valid visas. This means you can't get a credit card, pass a credit check, rent an apartment (no checking account), etc. Further, many people will turn you in if you do try any of these. "

You also will not get border access if you've ever received a DUI in your life.

And europe. :D And they succeed more here too. 

http://www.oecd.org/migration/indicators-of-immigrant-integration-2015-settling-in-9789264234024-en.htm

A report about the integration of immigrants issued over the summer by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development noted that more than a fifth of Europe’s immigrants from outside the European Union were unemployed, about double the rate of European Union citizens.
One in four of the economically active is out of work in France and one in three in Belgium and Sweden. And these poor employment prospects persist down the generations. Youth joblessness among the European-born children of immigrants is almost 50 percent higher than for those with native-born parents.

Employment is not the only barrier. Children from less-educated immigrant families are much less likely to succeed at school in Europe than the sons and daughters of natives, and much more likely to end up marginalized: out of school and out of work. Immigrants feel discriminated against more often in Europe. Perceived discrimination is particularly acute among the European-born children of immigrants, who in several countries still do not qualify for automatic citizenship.

As Professor Foner put it: “The United States does a better job at accepting immigrants as Americans in the making.”

So can we put this, 'America is evil to immigrant lie' to rest please?

Because that's all it is...

[s]My god, there's several pages left to go...what am I doing with my life? <.<[/s]