[quote=@Bishop] [@mdk] "Eating for free" consoles and all their games cost a shiit ton more than the free ones you can torrent for pc. PC has better performance and is super cheap. [/quote] You could shoplift games for free on console too if that's what you mean. PC is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOT super cheap, at least when you're talking comparable performance -- for the price of my (already obsolete) video card I could put a PS4 in every room of my house, and still have leftover cash for doritos and mountain dew. [quote]You have to fiddle with the display options every single time you open the game? It's only the first damn time and then you don't have to move and adjust them anymore.[/quote] Well firstly that's not what I said, but still, numerous games beg to differ -- the one I'll arbitrarily pick is Total War. A decent PC might be able to run the game fine on high settings for a while but by the late-game, I had to start fucking with things on a battle-by-battle basis. That will never happen on consoles. Of course, you don't get to play Total War on console, or any worthwhile RTS really, and that's a shame. My point was, in answer to the question, part of the appeal of a console is the plug-and-play simplicity. [quote]That's your problem[/quote] No kiddin [quote]And as far as balancing the launchers goes? You don't need to with torrented games.[/quote] Ease of theft is not a point I count in PC's favor, but you do you. [quote]And if you can't remember the controls then that means that you don't really play or like the game enough to remember so why complain about it?[/quote] Don't honestly tell me you've never typed "wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" into party chat. A keyboard has more buttons than a controller, is more complicated and less ergonomic. These are facts. [quote]The same core controls you have on a console controller you have on your computer. You can ignore the extras and additions.[/quote] Well not really, because tilt-sensitive joysticks are great and so is rumble feedback and every great while there's a motion-control feature in a game that's pretty cool, and that's without getting into all the clever shit Nintendo has been doing for the last several generations. And you can't necessarily ignore the extras and additions -- you've got to program all of them out of the control menu first, and then god help you if you get to a spot where the game expects you to toggle on the flashlight manually and you've bound that to shift-control-F-something because it was right next to the jump button but now the game can't remember that you bound it there and it just keeps telling you to mash the key that stabs your companion to death with a rusty shovel and then overwrites your quicksave because fuck you that's why. [quote]Well it all depends on what you like to play most. And seriously if you play RTS and FPS games on consoles..... I mean seriously. Even most of the console players on the top ladder use a mouse and keyboard that they have attached to their console. But in that sense, you can connect your pc to the tv, sit back on the couch and play with your Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. [/quote] Because god knows at the end of a long day at work the thing I want most is to balance a billboard on my crotch. I'm not a top-ladder player (well I was top 500 in Destiny for a minute....), I'm just having fun comfortably with some pals on a thing that works and isn't a headache. That, sir, is the appeal of a console.