[quote=@Prince of Seraphs] [hider=I can't resist an argument] You don't have to justify how you got to all of the powers. I outlined that fairly well. I am aware of the justification for each of them. My point is that the justification is tenuis at best. The connection between Artemis and water is paper thin. Going from that to ice is even more so. They do have set rules, it's kind of fairly self evident, the Demigods have powers based on the domains their parents control. If that wasn't the case then Demigod abilities would be completely random. As for your example a child of Poseidon could reduce ice back to base water and manipulate it from there or control ice in a limited fashion (such as causing a glacier to collapse) because of the water content but they couldn't create ice. No they can't. In the Percy Jackson books a demigod was capable of stealing the [I]weapon[/I] of a god. Nothing more. That weapon is a source of considerable power, so much so that the wielder could easily burn themselves up using it. However holding the weapon of a god does not negate the inherent power that god is born with. Zeus didn't obtain the lightning bolts till after he ousted Chronus from the throne. At which point the Cyclops' who Zeus had freed from Tartarus forged the bolts for him to use as a weapon. Similar thing with Poseidon's trident and Hades' helm. As far as I'm aware not even that happened in the actual myths (though I could be mistaken and if I am point me to the appropriate story). Artemis got six wishes from her father the lord of the skies and ruler of the gods. One of the things she asked for was a bow. You're telling me that someone who has the opportunity to be given anything in all of creation and asks for a bow isn't going to insist that her followers learn archery? Then again that could explain why she's at Olympus Academy. If I were a god with a follower who didn't want to learn my sacred art I'd sent them away too. That's not a weakness, that's a limitation. Limitations can be overcome with work, they're caused by a character not knowing this or being unable to do that or having a personality defect like cowardice. A weakness is generally something that will be with them fro the rest of their life and they can their best to minimize the risk it posses but their is nothing they can do to fix it. At the point that Rose learns to fight in close combat she ceases to have this limitation and from what I can tell basically becomes invulnerable. Those are very vague terms, earth manipulation is a header that represents a very wide scale of abilities from being able to control the tectonic plates of the earth to being able to toss rocks around with your mind. Just saying that tells basic abilities but nothing about what she can really do. That's why I wrote down my powers and abilities in very specific manner through six paragraphs. Dark Magic is no less vague than regular magic. I am sorry about using Mordred as an example of vague abilities after all the other things I said about Rose but at the time I didn't realize he was yours. After the spell slinging incident I looked up his character sheet. The Abilities section is suppose to reflect all of the powers a demigod has. There was nothing in Mordred's abilities that suggested to anyone that he would be capable of animating cartoon characters into powerful if fragile constructs or create golems. That's what I mean by vague. If the section fails to tell the rest of the RPers what your character can do in most circumstances it is vague.[/hider] The bottom line is that the abilities you've given Rose, the application of them that you've described and your attitude towards abilities in the RP in general makes Rose constitutes the powers and abilities of a second or third generation god rather than a Demigod. The point I am trying to make is something that is fairly evident to me but has to be something that you understand and agree to and to be honest I'm getting the impression that you're a lot like me in that when challenged you'd argue to doomsday before admitting to being wrong. It's something that I'm trying to work on so instead of continuing this I'm just going to leave it at this: Rose has too many different abilities which are only linked to Demeter in a general sense, if you can't see that I can't do anything to make you see. Out of curiosity though, did you actually read the Percy Jackson books? Cause a lot of the arguments you are making make a disturbing amount more sense if you've only seen the movies. [h1]Everyone else[/h1] Is this a problem for anyone else? Cause if I'm the only one that's bothered by it I'll shut up right now. Also on an unrelated note there seems to be something wrong with the QUOTE function on the guild after the latest update. The quotes are all misaligned and the text doesn't fall under the right name mention if you're quoting a post that has a quote in it. Just thought I'd let you know. [/quote] I agree with you man, demigods should not have several abilities like an actual god. I pick one ability that makes since and any other ability that comes with said main ability. Basically if your character is super strong then invulnerability would make sense. If your character can maniuplate the wind then flight makes sense as well