[quote=@mdk] With PC, the shit I pay for is shit I have to manage. With console, the shit I pay for includes somebody else whose only job is to make sure it works perfectly forever. I like that. [/quote] https://consumerist.com/2009/08/17/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds/ Just because I think that last bit is humorous in retrospect. And almost every game on my PS4 I've stopped playng through rage quitting that it hard crashed through hours and hours of progress. But I guess personal experience comes into play a bit. I totally understand when consoles were plug and play, and why they were useful and fun. But now that you can actually use your t.v as your PC monitor and play on the couch with a controller. And get more and better and cheaper games. (on average. And that seemed to be a promotional store deal, not actually done by the devs themselves. Correct me if I'm wrong.) And its still not as impressive as it can get with online services. But I get it, I have my Wii U and PS4 along with my PC, I'm certainly not an elitist by any stretch...I'd honestly be hard pressed to call myself a gamer, as weird as it sounds.