[quote=@Disdain] it's awesome even though it's frustrating I barbequed burger patties; it was surprisingly complex. [/quote] Not a fan, personally. At what point do grills and barbecues separate? This question has plagued me for ages. Edit: Because I was legitimately curious—"“When you barbecue you are cooking with a slow circumvented unit of hot air with the lid closed. Grilling is done with the lid up and you're cooking with direct heat on the bottom, instead of all around the source."