[quote=@SleepingSilence]
I haven't even remotely been watching your conversation back and forth.
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Ok, thanks for the heads up, that will be a real time saver.

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[quote=@mdk]

They literally just exchange it for white people. It's 0% better and 3000% more smug. Good luck with all of that.

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Thank you, I worked in Maine and New Hampshire a few years ago and I found in more congenial. I didn't notice a whole lot of down with the white man talk at the time. There was a certain amount of anti-refugee sentiment which I found distasteful but that seemed to be fairly isolated. I've heard that Oregon and Washington State are beautiful but I understand that they are extremely conservative once you get away from the big cities.


[quote=@mdk]

 If you preach all that same stuff, but then still endorse the guy -- well NOW you've got a problem, because that would be pretty intensely hypocritical.

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I completely agree.

[quote=@mdk]

 And lastly if you run around judging everybody by your own standards, essentially meting out your own moral sentences on everyday people because of what their politician did, you're acting like your own personal atheistic Spanish Inquisition and NOOOOOOOOBODY likes the Spanish Inquisition. What is the point of that? Feeling superior to others while changing precisely nothing? 

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If Torquemada had been an elected official, then anyone who voted for him would by definition bear some of the responsibility for his actions. By casting a vote for him they have delegated some of their power to him and are responsible for how he uses it. No one ever has perfect information of course. You could be deceived by a candidate, they could act in a way you didn't predict. Maybe he acted in a way that nooooobody suspected.

We all make moral judgments about people. My point is that we frequently give them a pass on politics because for whatever reason we tend to segregate religious and political opinion from our everyday interactions. I do it all the time, but that persons still believes that thing that I find appalling. Why am I not considering it, and if it reaches whatever threshold I want to set, acting on it.


[quote=@mdk]
I [i]sincerely like[/i] the fact that you're even asking these questions. Holding [i]others[/i] to that standard is pretty uncool/unfair/nonproductive/jerk-like, though. But it's your call. You get to be that person if you want.
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Thank you, I spend alot of time thinking about moral questions in general. Thought experiments and abstract moral principles are not always easy to translate into real life of course, nor is it always easy to overcome your own biases. That is exactly the point of discussing it with other people.