[quote=@Klomster]It seems we are once again in a position where lore and rp clashes and people are angry.[/quote] I don't think anyone's [i]angry[/i], I'm certainly not, but there [b]is[/b] a difference between using the actual lore of the universe and pulling things out of your backside to make the lore fit your vision of things. I'm not saying that that's been done here, just that this is probably why people would get angry. I also never said there was a problem with your Cogboy, just that I've not glanced at the CS in a while and had no idea what his skills were...beside mech-things. I'd go so far as to say that, in spite of protestations to the contrary, half the problem is having two quite potent psychic characters in a group of rather 'numb' beings. When I say 'problem', I mean others reacting to their frankly awesome (in the original sense of the word) abilities. Then again, that's generally the issue with psykers in general in any 40k setting. [quote]But orks can be warp corrupted[/quote] Out of genuine curiosity, can you give me an example of that? Don't say Tuska either, he's not corrupted, he's manipulated by Khorne for entertainment purposes. AFAIK though there's never been a properly corrupted Ork in the lore. Anyway, I like the idea(s) from Klom, and he's put it forward quite succinctly. I think we'd probably be good to G.O. with one of those ideas. Lastly... [quote]We should stop arguing over lore when the real problem is how on earth are the dark angels and vedius gonna join the party?[/quote] Pretty easily, I'd imagine; Thorn is already a quite netural character, Xeph will probably be fine once he learns he's being hunted by the Dark Angels, and Vedius is part of an entire legion that fell to Chaos - I'd think he'd be smart enough to know he wasn't welcome in the Imperium anymore, and would therefore have to [b]not[/b] go back there [b]ever[/b]. At least not with his current views in mind. Our characters aren't made of stone, and they have minds of their own, it won't be as hard as you believe. Can I also just re-iterate, this entire RP was based around [b]renegades, pirates and mercenaries,[/b] I actually specifically stated that it was [b]not a Chaos RP[/b]. Not sure why everyone seems to think that just because we have people aligned to Chaos that everyone needs to turn to Chaos (at least that's the vibe I'm getting here.) People seem to forget free will as much as they forget that there's plenty of traitors/enemies of the Imperium who never even spoke a prayer to the Ruinous powers, a good number of the Fallen among them.