[quote]1) uhhhh excuse me? Language is constantly evolving and definitions change, it's in its very nature. As we learn more things, we update our connotations--is that not how society progressives? [/quote] Doesn't mean that's good, that is should happen or even makes any sense, especially considering 1) how fast it's happening and 2) how little coordination there is in it. [quote]2) I was trying to bring in my personal experience with the topic and bring a bit of humanity to this topic so you would realize that there are very real people associated with this topic in ways that are not simply "trendy." And yeah, gender dysphoria is a mental illness, it fucking sucks. Watching my gf deal with it hurts. Watching her start to overcome it is one of the best feelings I've ever had.[/quote] I'm sure. But, I must however commend you at least on agreeing that such a thing is a disorder of sorts/not normal, even though we may not see eye to eye acknowledging such a truth takes a lot of strength and I do have a lot of respect for that. [quote]3) Fat acceptance leads to severe health issues, a lot of the time? Not attacking people who are overweight is generally great, but when someone is obese to the point where it negatively impacts their health, it is dangerous to say "don't care, be yourself!" So long as acceptance does not negatively impact people, what is wrong with it? Also, I would absolutely love for you to cite your source on that. Love the use of generalizations and the loaded language. sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gendeā€¦ Have a Harvard. I have some more formal studies as well.[/quote] I mean, that's really the point. I'll use your pronoun as long as it's not some crazy bullshit like "adfazad'gexe" but wanting to chop off your shit is pretty whacko. You stop emos/self-amputators from chopping their shit don't you? I know that I see it as my moral duty do so for sure. But you want studies? here are but a few About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older. Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789 MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/ (this in essence just means that these are people who have a poor understanding of their sexual kinks/fetishes because they were repressed or simply not explored) or are just people who aren't really hot enough and want a bit of a boost by looking more feminine Oh and here's an important one Transsexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide. Source: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 so yeah, sexual reassignment surgery is more or less evil by it's very nature Their status could of course be a result of their other issues Transsexuals are more likely to have autism than the general population. Source: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00787-005-0469-4 Of course, you're free to """debunk""" these. [quote]4) It blatantly denies scientific evidence and uses biased, unconfirmed resources so it's wrong. :((( This also goes for more liberal sites like HuffPost! [/quote] Literally all scientific studies are biased, everyone is setting out to accomplish something with their research. [quote]5) Indeed, they are! Want some peer-reviewed studies?[/quote] I won't address this since it's adressed elsewhere [quote]6) Sympathy and empathy are both rather important, and I may have misworded my phrase a bit. But let me tell you, differing opinions can be dehumanizing wmd harmful. "I don't like this show," that's an opinion, that's fine. "I don't think you should have equal rights and also your identity is made up" is generally pretty harmful. [/quote] It's still dumb, and sometimes empathy with someone only strengthens these seemingly contrarian-perspectives. I think people should have equal rights, particularly when they are guaranteed by state but I don't see what's so bad about saying "your identity is made up." At least, if they can prove me wrong they'll feel a whole lot better. [quote]7) I came in this thread to educate. Education is the greatest cure to inequality and bigoted views, and if we respect one another and recognize legitimate differences, the world gets better, little by little.[/quote] Which definition of bigotry are we using? [quote=@Penny] We agree on that! Bill is using a more modern version of the term. It would really be better if he talked about gamete production but he isn't talking to an audience of biologists. However shall they manage? Kids these days with their new fangled words and redefining of concepts. Language belongs to everyone and sometimes language can be changed to reflect new nuance. Rejoice that there is yet undiscovered linguistic territory to explore! [/quote] Exactly. This is an attempt to revive the famed reputation as educator of a children of a man to keep on indoctrinating children with a political agenda and yes I know how much like Alex Jones I sound right now but fug off We live in an era of standardization, I for one fucking hate it when I have to wake up and suddenly a word has an unclear but new meaning, making a whole of my old uses of it not PC which in turn makes me liable to be fired or not accepted for a whole lot of work positions, in the West anyway. Besides, changing definition of gender only shortens linguistic boundaries because it makes them a whole lot more confusing and we can no longer look to the roots of the word. Don't repurpose old words, make new ones and leave my lovelies alone.