[quote=@Andreyich] Here's the thing. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia. Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a diddler who studies children, I am telling you, specifically, in diddling, no one calls ephebophilia pedophilia. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "pedophile family" you're referring to the paraphilia grouping of chronophilia, which includes things from nepiophibilia to hebepohilia to gerontophilia. So your reasoning for calling ephebophilia pedophilia is because random people "call the ephebopophilia ones pedophiles?" Let's get teleiophiles and mesophiles in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. An ephebophile is an ephebophile and a member of the chronophilia classification. But that's not what you said. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the chronophilia class ephebophiles, which means you'd call nepiophiles, teliophiles, and other sexual attractions pedophilia, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? [/quote] Okay this mostly comes from just confusion, but you know [b]way[/b] too many of those words...How many conversations about pedophilia have you gotten into? -.- Also according to google/wiki hebepohilia and ephebophilia have the EXACT same age range of attraction, so why different words? And why in gods name does "teliophilie" exist when "normal" fits just fine? It literally is attracted to 'adults'. Sounds like it's meant to demonize normal relationships or to equivocate adult relationships to sound similar to pedophiles...<.< (I'm kind of concerned that you'll have answers to these questions. >.>) Also, this isn't on you. (so not talking about you.) But I'm a little sick that the current culture has people openly defending this action...) [hider=Videos with facts, best to ignore them.] [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54bhKBz3NRU[/youtube] [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYZONMswfoE[/youtube] [/hider]