[quote=@Darcs] [@mdk] Would you like another go at Vietnam? Or Cuba? Counterpoint: If capitalists had their way, people like me literally would not be able to vote. [/quote] Cuba's a hole. Vietnam gets $38 billion in trade from the US, otherwise it'd be a hole too. So the difference appears to be who gets money from the capitalists -- perhaps Communism isn't a turd, but a tick?