[quote]Literally show me one person who created wealth, from a business, without exploiting the excess value of the labor of others. [/quote] Krupp [quote]Harming the poor is how every economic system has worked since we invented currency-- even before then tbh.[/quote] That's plain wrong, I'm afraid. [quote]Our poor do better than the average global middle class, because, like I've said, our state in inherently tied to our businesses, and the only poor we leech from more than our own is the poor in other countries. [/quote] That's interesting, people in Japan, Canada, Norway, etc. have the highest HDI and they too are very capitalist yet I don't seem to recall them ever oppressing the proletariat. Furthermore, countries that drifted to a capitalist system saw a drastic shift to a higher HDI. Even my little shithole of Belarus became significantly better before my eyes as we drifted away from communism/socialism. And yet, I do not recall us ever exploiting the poor (admittedly that's the whole of our country) who merely put in an honest day's work and that's all to make their country better.