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[@Dinh AaronMk] Same point. Different words. I'll just say I was "memeing" to automatically be unable to be criticized. <.<

[color=ed1c24][b]"Now, let's keep going: your sister in making jewelry must ultimately get materials that, like with the minerals of the Congo, are derived from the Earth" "Something something silver and gold, slave children."[/b][/color]

Just...No. And for saying excuse me, you didn't actually read what I wrote did you? You wrote walls of text but you didn't read a single sentence. That said "finds stones" And that's literally all I need to say to that...

Again, capitalism doesn't hurt people and even if you use that awful "you didn't build that" argument. There's still plenty of examples of people being able to make money, for literally doing NOTHING that exploits, anyone or anywhere.

Basically this entire point, I think boils down, to trade being evil? Because people importing and exporting cheaper goods to make them cheap for the consumer being bad because someone is being underpaid somewhere else...

But those people also don't live in free market capitalism...and even if you take those jobs away, stop the evil people from making people mine, what do they have? >.>

But ignoring that. The whole "benefits in support of the worker we do not often get full value for our work."

I just posted a video that kind of points out everything you said, so I'll paraphrase that. 

Effort doesn't need to be paid. Results do. Want to move my lawn? I'll give you 40 bucks. I won't pay you any differently with a push mower or a ride mower. I just want my lawn mowed. You can put effort in something that isn't actually worth anything of value. :/
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Even if your sister is stringing rocks together with twine, unless she's made the twine herself from sheep or alpaca she raises at a farm she operates herself, feeding them hay and otherwise tending to their needs then your sister is still buying twine from somewhere most likely from a country that pays its employees pennies on the hour. Therefore even on a minimal level she is acting within a system encouraging this sort of behavior.

It's admittedly inescapable, in this respect we have blood or some Bengali worker's poor welfare on our hands. But knowing this is the first step to trying to do something about it. But claiming it doesn't matter because the fact that Bengali is employed and claiming they are not exploited because of it because they can just leave the sweatshop doesn't change the fact even if they did they'd be picking effective suicide and the notion that cheap labor is good labor basically leaves people like them as being machines and toys to exploitative industrial barons.

Now if she were locally sourcing her twine from some nearby workshop in the town or county where all the profits of the labor goes to the one old lady who spins the yarn herself, then the situation isn't as bad.

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Holy shit, that's a bad analogy. 

The typical Ford Motor Company Auto Mechanic salary is $52,528. Auto Mechanic salaries at Ford Motor Company can range from $45,653-$65,195. 

Uh yeah, you bet your ass ford car mechanics can buy a car....
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And they dump a whole half-years pay or their entire annual salary all at once to acquire that brand new vehicle. If we were to allocate pay on a basis of work done for the company as opposed to a flat hourly rate then employees working at Ford would have made in 2016 a minimum of 700,000$ in annual earnings. Instead all of or most of this goes to William Clay Ford for just existing.

Still, this rate is admittedly generous because it'll still need to go to operating costs. But it underlines the ultimate disparity between earnings at Ford and that they can get away with an employee taking a new Taurus from the line to drive around for a few years or more and there'll be no hit.

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Clearly provably false, products over time are getting cheaper. Despite minimum wage increasing for years and years. (just slowly) It's easy to look that up yourself. and while I agree minimum wages shouldn't exist as they do now. 
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[url=https://evans.uw.edu/sites/default/files/NBER%20Working%20Paper.pdf]And as Seattle is showing us, hours are getting cut.[/url]

While food costs may be going down, hours worked is dropping to compensate for the higher wages. So while these people are getting paid more, they're working less; so the falling cost of bread represents more of a net-gain of zero. There is as well a [url=https://www.apartmentlist.com/rentonomics/national-rent-data/]general raise in the price of rent[/url] across many of the United State's larger cities, further relegating the prospect of the people making more money on higher fixed hourly rates in comparison to a general drop in certain costs to a greater net zero.