[@POOHEAD189] No, I completely understand some people use "free will" or "determinism" in different terms. And "belief" may be not the best word to use of people who lack that belief, in anything. (though that can be debated until the cows come home.) I understand faith arguments aren't particularly helpful to those that don't believe in them. I guess I'm interested to read those links to such things, if you have them. I'd prefer videos because I'm a lazy bastard and prefer that medium. XP