[@Andreyich] I did see it. Had a lot of stuff on my plate, suddenly haha. But I appreciate the thought though. :3 [quote=@Andreyich] I suppose I forfeit this since it turns out I misunderstood what racism is, which I'll visit later in this post. As long as we can agree that there are a variety of factors at work here I think on this point we're done. [/quote] I certainly don't disagree with some things you've said. Just the whole generalization part and slightly doubt on the genes parts. ;P I wasn't necessarily trying to go full blown debate anyhow. So I don't mind closing statements on this topic in particular. [quote=@Andreyich] The link I provided was to dissuade the "lol whites are mass shooters so it's the same" train of thought, not to prove a point. Individuals however should and matter, at least somewhat since it is they after all who are the ones forming a collective. [/quote] Fair enough, though I wasn't making the argument against it. So I feel like it wasn't too necessary. But yes whites shoot people, but it's mentally fucked in the head people we're usually dealing with. And that goes into mental health more than anything else. [quote=@Andreyich] I meant a thug as in the cultural thing, gold grillz, blasting boom box, etc. [/quote] Ah. Still seems like a negative stereotype. Also I find white people that act like this far more obnoxious because their on a case of "try hard" and desperation does bad things. (*this is not a serious point*) [quote=@Andreyich] It is, but like I said in my π world shithole of a home country I experienced very little criminality apart from that which I brought upon myself. Admittedly this was when I was only in my home village and the nearest city, I haven't been to the whole country for a reasonable amount of time but I doubt it's too different. [/quote] I've experienced it plenty, but I don't think it's useful to use those individual incidents to say anything about a culture. Maybe just how I've grown from it. Beside I find it much more useful to just hate all humanity equally. #Blackcatslivesmatter. Fuck people that kill them because their black, seriously that's a real thing. (*this is not a serious point*) But yeah, America is far better than the media portrays them, especially elsewhere. But getting into the weeds, and I wouldn't even say I'm that patriotic, so this message may be a little flat coming from me. So I'll leave it at that. [quote=@Andreyich] I'm not sure what this means or more precisely if I understand it right, considering the meaning of victimization. [color=ed1c24][b]If you're trying[/b][/color] to assert that the more wealthy strata do as much crime as the lower classes then you're plain wrong. At most, they do more crime of the sort like you mentioned, drug use and such that (supposedly) doesn't hurt anyone and is """"""victimless."""""" [b][color=ed1c24]Interesting considering you'd think they can't afford one.[/color][/b] Not all that pertinent though. This is largely to do with Hispanics making quite often their wealth off of stuff that is quite simply illicit. Once again, clarify since I'm not sure what [b][color=red]you mean[/color][/b] by victimization, if it is to make another person a victim or to become one. That's probably because they get targeted and don't really commit crime on their own part making others see them as weaker and more opportune targets, which is not wholly untrue. [/quote] Okay I would say I don't really like some of the implications here. But I'll admit it's completely my fault. All the stuff above here is a part of the link above it and I just forget to put it in obvious quotes. This isn't my conjecture it's recorded study data by someone else. So a lot of the responses are from that angle, so it's hard to reply to any of them. [quote=@Andreyich] History? [/quote] Citation needed? :3 *I spent a lot of time writing things but I deleted it. Dieting doesn't help the brain process things I've learned. :D* [quote=@Andreyich] Can't be a debate if one side isn't really allowed to speak up. [/quote] Fair enough, but again. Whose silencing stuff like this? A race? No, a political ideology. Which I argue has caused a lot of the problems. [quote=@Andreyich] I think eugenics is pretty autistic yes, but generalizations do have their purpose and use. When I look at someone for the first time I can always draw conclusions that I should act accordingly to and are up to the other person to be proven right or wrong. [/quote] Guilty until proven innocent? I can tell you that doesn't fit western views. (though you're not from here, so that probably means nothing.) But yeah, I just agree to disagree with that ideal. I understand where your logic comes from, but my brain just will never work that way. [quote=@Andreyich] I searched up the definition of racism again and yes, you're right. I didn't read it through properly and just saw the "key words" of prejudice against a different race. Since I know that superiority is more or less impossible I suppose I can remove the label of racist from myself. I admit I was wrong to use it, though this probably won't stop others from applying it to me. As said earlier, I guess I was wrong. I thought it meant to only be prejudiced which I am, I don't believe in superiority of any sort though, but people will call me racist anyways. [/quote] Doesn't help when you applied it to yourself, my man. XP But yes, that happens. Usually by privileged class white people that project their feelings to things, they actually care very little about. But I'm repeating myself. [quote=@Andreyich] It's sure helped me here. It helped me pick what was, I'm sure absolutely coincidentally the nicest neighborhood to be around, knowing simply the ethnic composition. [/quote] My predominantly white schools absolutely sucked, and was full of pieces of shit. And I highly preferred my predominately black school, many who were at least much less spiteful people. And my non-ghetto friends pale in comparison (and having an actual spine.) to how close I've become to them and the things they've experienced and took in stride. (Everyone that I've meet and spent time with, are far less spineless than people seem to think they are. Including my family. <.<) But I guess anecdotally, both hold about the same weight of the real world as a whole. Maybe I hate my race instead, call the national guard for purging, I'm defective. (*this is not a serious point*) [quote=@Andreyich] Reconciled Old Believer. [/quote] Believer of? (I mean I guess it's sort of obvious. (ignoring the 7 billion different denominations.) But I guess I'm not fully sure what that means either.) Hopefully this closing statement suffices.