I don't wish to get in a full blown political debate, again. I just ended all the other ones...but I'll reply to what you sent to me.

[quote=@POOHEAD189]
We know what was and was not read based upon his interviews. He never knows what he's talking about, and he's often confused. He's been stated to be factually wrong/lying 3/4ths of the time, compared to Hillary Clinton's 1/4th of the time, and while you might think Hillary's is bad, that's actually normal for a politician. 
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Normalizing lying is something I'll never do in any circumstance. Also Hillary is not only a liar, but more likely a compulsive one...(first video is part of it.) So it's a little scary to even think she lies “1/4” of the time...If that's from like polifact or something...(that site is horrible bias and often wrong.) But if those are just random numbers. I think one thing you can't say about Hillary, is anything regarding her ever telling the truth.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMWpvvnk2Q[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpPrhkmV_rA[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMxuYeSH3c[/youtube]

[quote=@POOHEAD189]
Like I said, I'm independent. I try to look at both conservative and liberal views. Seth Myers is obviously a liberal, however the video itself used its source verbatim. Can't really argue with that. 
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Well that itself doesn't mean it can't be wrong. But like I said, if that's something that happened. I agree that isn't something I approve of.

[quote=@POOHEAD189]
Obama took away Coal jobs, because it's environmentally harmful. Yet he also official (according to the treasury) brought us out of our economic recession and gave us millions of jobs in other areas. 
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Okay, let me just quickly debunk that. (Because he did not do that.)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/30/no-obama-you-presided-over-loss-manufacturing-jobs/

http://www.askheritage.org/what-is-obamas-fake-jobs-scheme-costing-america/

http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/DavidStockman/obama-jobs-lies-economy/2015/07/03/id/653391/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/truth-obamas-net-gain-jobs-negative-14-million/

http://www.macrotrends.net/2524/black-unemployment-rate-history-chart

[quote=@POOHEAD189]
John Oliver never said it was cheaper. Just cleaner and more effective. 
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The major problem is most 3rd world countries and poorer communities rely on cheap energy...trying to force people to use energy sources that aren't effective as the current sources. You tell me which green energy light bulb doesn't suck ass, and I'll worship the ground you walk on. And like I already said, green energy will always need the other one to back it up.

http://www.newsweek.com/whats-true-cost-wind-power-321480

[quote=@POOHEAD189]
and you should never listen to someone who is biased. It's why I am an independent.  
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Everyone has a bias, so that in of itself is impossible. You should listen to as many people as possible. And what you just said is contradicted by Seth Myers being liberal and you listening to him. :P

I'm sorry but I haven't seen convincing cases for green energy. 

[quote=@POOHEAD189]
As far as Coal jobs go, my point is this: New energy such as Solar and Wind, while they aren't perfect, are in fact, the future. Coal hurts the environment. It is literally helping lead to the deaths of our kids and grand kids, to the earth shutting down as a planet, and perhaps the end of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of future jobs so we can have some jobs now. People who are for coal just want things 'now now now' and fuck the consequences. 
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That argument is a “think of the children” fallacy. People trying to force green energy on people who can't afford it, actually is doing what you fear “will” happen.

I think you and most people into the climate change sphere are being alarmists. And unnecessarily so. They never want to actually give us an answer how we can “solve” this problem, it's another problem that “has no solution or clear ending point.” which sure is politically convenient...

https://futureoflife.org/2016/08/05/developing-countries-cant-afford-climate-change/