[@Bishop] I'm not sure that I'm following. Do you mind elaborating? If you mean that we're just a series of chemical reactions and there's no randomness to anything in a closed system, I'd be inclined to agree with you, except for the belief that bringing in a spiritual side of things breaks the whole "closed system" part of human behavior. I'd like to reinforce that a large portion of Christians reject the notion of predestination. Do you want empirical evidence or theological evidence? Because for the former, it's not exactly like we have case studies everywhere, since it's not generally the most newsworthy thing. I have personal examples if you want them, and a couple non-personal. But if you want situations where the structure of reality changed for someone who asked, I'm a bit more limited. That's not to say that I have nothing, but it makes my job more difficult for the aforementioned reasons. I'd also like to reinforce that it's not a direct good vs. bad person discussion. There are layers to it.