[@Andreyich] *sigh* [quote=@Andreyich] They want to though. [/quote] That's a stupid rebuttal. I'm sure doctors, lawyers and teachers want to feed their families too. Do we not pay them? [quote=@Andreyich] Or you know, just a little greed. [/quote] Again, non-statement. No, it's not greedy...If others -want- to pay you. You sound very much like someone demonizing a company for making money, right now and you didn't have that opinion before. [quote=@Andreyich] True, but a lot of sub-par ones were made too. I also don't know how the fuck we got on the subject of a free market but w/e. [/quote] Because you don't seem to understand, that people should get paid for work. And you're not old enough to be stupid enough to think, the new media and less shitty jobs aren't worth being compensated... Again there's a lot of sub-par workers in general, they get paid too. :/ Whatever you're arguing, and at this point I'm not even sure what it is...it's wrong. [quote=@Andreyich] By very little, and yes it does. [/quote] +12-17 points difference on average is not -very- little... [quote=@Andreyich] There's a billion things to modify the scores, but not significantly. Anyway most know variables i.e. this are accounted for. [/quote] +12-17 points difference on average (Again, clearly not the case...) The point remains that it doesn't even measure overall intelligence well at all... And it doesn't account that it can be changed and improved upon, how would that be the case if only linked to genes? [quote=@Andreyich] Yes but the point is that these tests are designed to consider intelligence no matter the environment, merely your true 'peak' intelligence. Maybe that isn't good in America which has a lot of """diversity""" but having such a mindset in Europe is quite handy, since this helps preserve institutions that are uniquely European. I sure as hell would love it for my country to finally kick out all the Chinese flooding in. [/quote] I suppose that last statement kind of just goes past anything, but spiteful racism... But no, it CAN'T do that. It DOESN'T show your peak...I just said, you can improve your scores... Studies have found significant increase in IQ from one generation to the other. It increases 21 points on an average in 30 years. Such an increase can result only from the surrounding environment. Hence, it is proved that IQ does change based on the environment. You're trying to tell me, that race mixing hasn't been a thing? I'm sorry to jump in the accusatory statements, but I think you're flat out being intellectually dishonest here... In the 1970s, one percent of all American children were of mixed race. Now, 10 percent are. The U.S. Census Bureau predicts that, by 2060, the number of multiracial Americans will be three times larger than it is now. America may have double of it in percent population compared to Europe, (ya know because racism.) But it's growing everywhere. And again, I point out even if there's some or any truth to the statements made, as a human being living in a productive society. It shouldn't matter. You think it does. Which is our fundamental disagreement. You may not see America being diverse, being a good thing. But I certainly do. I love the melting pot concept. And I wouldn't live anywhere else. And Europe is doing really nicely. Oh wait. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/european-debt-crisis-not-just-greece-drowning-debt/ http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/01/yes-violent-crime-spiked-sweden-since-open-immigration/ http://www.marketwatch.com/story/europe-is-failing-and-merkel-cant-save-it-2016-12-16