[quote=@mdk] Eh, fair enough. My point was that a couple chapter 11s in the past are, like, nothing. You should see some of the bullshit DC people get away with. [/quote] I get what you mean. I'm just arguing against him being a savvy business man. [quote=@SleepingSilence] [@POOHEAD189] Plenty of casino's go under, so not really. Actually that sort of shows something, because many people don't survive and continue after the first one. But I won't go too far into it either, because I'm not really wanting to defend him that badly either. I'll admit Bush wasn't the biggest problem during his presidency run. But the people surrounding him were a bunch of knuckle-draggers. People like Karl Rove, made his presidency what it was. And I agreed with that sentiment too. But I do think there's more that people could unite on, that politics current game is to be as unbearable and toxic as possible. Making middle ground only seem more impossible, but even attempting to be civil would be a nice change. [/quote] Some Casinos close, but them going bankrupt takes a rare person. I agree with your other two points :)