[quote=@Andreyich] [@POOHEAD189] I wasn't even talking about Penny bruh That's some A+ white knighting tho [/quote] I just think all this trolling is a bit immature, dude. [quote=@SleepingSilence] Also this has turned into a shit show again, three people are attacking each other. (thankfully not at me for once. :D) So cut the shit out please. [/quote] Exactly. [quote=@Penny] [@POOHEAD189] Of course it is possible that my opinion of patriotism is colored by my experience of people who identify themselves as 'patriots'. I suppose it might be possible that there are people who are affected by patriotic emotion in a good way but seeing they don't go out of their way to be jerks I just don't see that part of the signal. Does patriotism have positive effects that people can think of? I suppose the defense of self determination is a worthy goal, although yoking that to nationalism seems like a regrettable necessity rather than an overall positive. [/quote] I think patriotism is (or can be) a healthy thing for a nation, but an unhealthy thing for an individual. Though nationalistic tendencies I'll never agree with. Your video put it right. "Let's hate these people we've never met for no reason."