[quote=@Bishop] [@Host] That's where you are wrong. Nothing isn't predetermined. Even if, let's say, the universe is different after being reset, it is still predetermined on how this new universe will progress and everything else. By saying that [b]something[/b] isn't predetermined you directly undermine the omniscience of God. I still don't see how the spiritual state of humans would change the second time around and the fact that it isn't predetermined is saying that God doesn't see what path that spiritual state will take. What you said might be true if the spiritual state of everyone has some sort of "spiritual memory" of it's first time around. In that case it is very possible that it might behave differently. [/quote] What exactly is your argument? Are you arguing not having predestination is impossible because the future will eventually become the past or are you arguing that God knowing the future directly destroys the ability for it to not be predetermined? Both? Neither?