[@KoL] And I'd be totally fine with an endless war if that meant "endless battles with other players" I'm not particularly fine with endless war when that means "Choose which GM character you want to get your face crunched in by today". Almost all the characters who are giving up on the war/desperately trying a new angle are collectively doing so because they're tired of getting their shit wrecked by Vassals and Vassal-tier threats who are above the scale allowed to PCs. Henry, Fran, and Miyu's reasons for going "well, this is pointless" can basically be summarized "Juno and a little bit of Eos". I maintain that the worst thing to happen to this roleplay, was when Juno showed up, and half the playerbase suddenly jumped in power to try and fight her, and the other half stayed true to their characters, resulting in basically halving the pool of people who could enjoy fighting each other. Juno's an interesting character, but she wrecked the power balance when she showed up.